Re: more thoughts on Raymond's talk

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Mon, 1 Mar 1999 12:36:54 -0500

>I thought you folks might be interested in some more thoughts I had,
>concerning Eric's analogy between the motivations driving the
>"Open Source" community and what he considers human nature with
>respect to property.
>
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>
>Lets accept (and this is perfectly believable) that
>the current modes of "property transfer" in the open source
>community mirror the tradition of "Anglo-American common-law
>theory of land tenure".
>
>His conclusions:
>
>= This theoretical basis makes the open source community
> self sustainable and economically viable.
>
>= Calling all companies -- we're not antagonists, its safe
> to move in and settle.
>
>Now lets think for a second about what software is, in his analogy.
>Its LAND. Land just sits there and does nothing. 2 points:
>
>= You don't create land, you occupy it. There's a limited amount
> of land, there is an unlimited amount of "possible" software.
> (he made this point in the talk I think)
>
>= By using LAND as his analogy, he makes the truly FREE SOFTWARE
> folks look like a bunch of fools who haven't caught up with the
> current wave of neo-liberalism. Right? Free software folks are
> passé, just like marxists, and indians, and hippies, what with their

If you ever dived into marxist theory AND practice, you would know that it
is the most costlier endavour of all times. It is monopol capitalism under
absolut state control - similar to Microsoft --:)
Definitly not FREE.

> silly ideas about changing notions of the OWNERSHIP of
> commodities that it is in HUMAN NATURE to want control and
> self regulate.
>
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>
>So now allow me to offer an alternate analogy. Suppose software is the
>CHILD of a programmer, rather than some chunk of LAND in a "NOOSPHERE"
>environment of ideas that is just waiting for some brain to "arrive"
>on the scene and stake a claim.
>
>Everything Raymond says about how software changes hands is
>true about how both LAND and CHILDREN change hands.
>But which one sounds better as an analogy for software project
>transfer? lets look at his property model, and you decide what
>fits better. Eric says: "There are, in general, three ways to
>acquire ownership of an open-source project"................
>
>(see http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/ for reference)
>
>1) Start a software project:
>
>Do you think its more like staking a claim to a piece of
>"unused land" (whatever that means.... i.e. is
>a forest "unused")? Or do you think its more like
>birthing a child?
>
>Well, it depends how you look at ideas themselves. Do they
>exist independently of people, of individuals? Are they
>conquered and can they be controlled by man? And to what extent?
>
>Or are they something that is created and unleashed on the world,
>perhaps controllable in its early stages and then progressively
>more and more independent as it is exposed to the rest of the world
>(and vice versa)?
>
>2) Hand over a project to someone else:
>
>Is it more like transfer of deed for a piece of land? Or is
>it more like transfer of care of a child?
>
>Well, you can buy and agglomerate land without ever setting
>foot on it. Transfer of land ownership is more about the value of
>the title than it is about using the land to do something. You have
>no obligation to DO anything with land you acquire, to improve it in
>any way. Second, it doesn't matter who you sell your land to. You
>don't care what they do with it (if they break laws, its the
>governments' problem, if they let it lie fallow, its up to other people
>to "squat it").
>
>By contrast, in transferring care of children
>the previous "owner" does not stop caring about the kid.
>Presumably, they care about the kid no matter whose custody
>the kid is in. You are going to make damn sure whoever is
>taking care of your kid is reputable, and someone you trust to
>take good care of the kid. Second, when you transfer control,
>you don't get money, you don't get tangible compensation, you get
>relief that the kid's needs are being taken care of, and that
>has its own, perfectly sufficient, merits.
>
>3) Take control of a project that is unclaimed or fallow.
>
>Is it more like squatting land? Or is it like society taking a
>kid away from a guardian who is irresponsible?
>
>Well, squatting land only leads to conflict if the land is disputed.
>The model is, you squat first, then if there are problems, you
>resolve them legally.
>
>With kids, people are a bit more careful. Before the state
>allows a kid to be taken away from a family and placed with a
>foster family, the parents have to be guilty of egregious violations
>and the state is very public about making explanations for why
>the change of ownership ahd to occur.
>
>Obviously, the second analogy works better. As proof, just think
>about what Eric said about how careful people are about
>approaching fallow or unclaimed projects. Sounds a lot more
>like the behavior of child welfare agencies than that of the
>squatter camp.
>
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>
>Now, if you've gotten this far and you're still with me, here's the
>problem with playing the analogy game. If software is like LAND,
>yeah, maybe its safe for the companies to move in and mine the
>inherent profitability of this wild intellectual frontier.
>But, if software is like CHILDREN, you've got an interesting situation.
>
>Children look like property, but only at a YOUNG AGE. As they
>get older, they start to look like independent beings. (I think
>ideas are the same way, but lets discuss that later)
>
>If I am an alien who beamed down to a courthouse and observed the
>goings on with minimal understanding of our culture, I might observe
>the way children are manipulated and controlled, and conclude that they
>are property. But if I stuck around to see them grow, Id see that
>as the world is exposed to them, and they to the world, parents lose
>control. And this occurs PRECISELY because of a process of
>PEER REVIEW. Its not really that the parents loosen their control
>on the kid, its really in the kid's nature. Kids take on a life
>of their own, and parental influence fades as a necessary, and
>usually unwanted result. This is natural.
>
>Its also the NATURAL COURSE of ideas. No matter what the idea,
>what the information, what the medium, the trend is toward diffusion
>and diversification. Corporations and governments often
>concern themselves with fighting this trend. That's what
>propaganda, media manipulation, and intellectual property rights
>are all about. Corporations need to own ideas
>and release them in a way that creates profit. And now Eric
>Raymond is busy trying to convince corporations that the
>open source world is safe and will generate profit.
>
>But is it really safe? Ideas aren't like land in a fundamental way,
>and Eric knows this. Ideas can be shared, painlessly.
>They don't need to be controlled. They don't want to be controlled.
>They are born, and the parental "control" they need is
>really just about introducing them to the world, motivating them
>so that peer review actually occurs. After that they become part
>of a community of ideas being shared and tested among a community
>of thinkers. Take science for example, and look at the
>fragmentation that occurs with different interpretations and ideas.
>You get schools of thought, infighting, etc. Science has been
>around a lot longer than open source and software engineering. I
>don't open source to end up any differently -- you see
>the beginnings with more complex software like compilers (egcs gcc)
>and different distributions of linux. Its not bad at all,
>but its not an idyllic pasture waiting for the corporate cows to
>come a-grazing.
>
>But personally, I hope corporations do clamber aboard this
>bandwagon, en force, now that Eric is working to
>convince them that its safe. When the industry
>starts moving into its adolescent phases, the fun will begin.
>As the software corporations come out of their shells, opening up
>intellectually, they will be doing irreversible damage to
>the foundations of their profit models, and
>if they continue, they will relegating themselves to
>service industry status. Sounds good to me!
>
>
>Comments, anyone?
>
>-C
>
>
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